Talk:Armour/Making Period Mail

This how to was written by Pengryphon on Wikipedia. I simply moved it from there to here via cut and paste. Siroxo 09:30, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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This page was transwikied from en.wikipedia.org. List of contributors: Poccil 03:05, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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 * [2004-05-10T21:05:42Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T21:35:21Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T21:37:28Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T22:02:22Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T22:02:58Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-10T22:03:18Z] Pengryphon
 * [2004-05-11T21:27:52Z] Pengryphon
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 * [2004-07-21T22:06:58Z] Angela ( unsign. Is listed on cleanup )
 * [2004-07-21T23:01:35Z] RickK ( VfD )
 * [2004-07-22T20:25:08Z] Poccil ( /* Golden Rules of Making Mail */ )
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 * [2004-11-22T00:19:44Z] Frazzydee ( subst: )
 * [2004-11-22T02:12:52Z] Anthony DiPierro
 * [2004-12-04T02:11:25Z] Calton
 * [2004-12-04T02:12:34Z] Calton

How-to? Not really.
This how-to seems to be written for a person who is already very familiar with the concepts and techniques involved. At no point is a process 'walked-through' with the reader, let alone discussed in depth. If this is to be considered a how-to it needs some serious work. I would expect an article such as this to go on for several pages.

Any thoughts?

not a tutorial...
This is not so much a how-to as it is a brief description. Many of the 'facts' expressed here are opinions, not facts. This does not touch on period maille at all either, period maille was made with riveted links, this description applies to butted maille. Several of the other errors or omissions are 1. You can also use a hand turned mandrel to make your coils. 2. there are several places online that offer pre-made links inexpensively so you do not need to make your own. 3. Some of the SCA kingdoms do indeed allow aluminum maille, look at local baronies rules to determine if yours does. 4. Brass links make fine chainmail(but not as durable as steel), if you don't use brass-rod stock but brass wire/pre-made links 5. Essentially most of the limitations listed are incorrect or simply opinions, there are many other wire types and pre-made links available. The most 'correct' period maille would be made from mild steel links riveted together. 6. There are many chainmail sites online with good tutorials for beginning to work with maille. Use google and they are easy to find, some of them are also suppliers of pre-made links. 7. and finally all the weaves described here are given without their full titles, the 4-in-1 is properly called european 4-in-1 ( since there is a japanese 4-in-1 weave also this is important), the 6-in-1 should be european 6-in-1, etc...

Name change
The name of this book ought to be changed to Making armor for the SCA. That is what this book covers and the audience it is written for. There is nothing 'period' about aluminum and there are no references which tell why any piece of mail is or is not period. Which I would consider the first step for making mail in a given period. Sethwoodworth 03:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)