Talk:An Internet of Everything?/Open Source and Proprietary Technologies

Hello guys! I think it would be useful if we all sign our usernames to start with so we all know who is working on this section etc DayleCleland (discuss • contribs) 16:10, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Hey, i agree. i'll make a section titled, 'contributors' and we can sign ourselves in there. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 21:02, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I've looked a bit into the topic, i found the two main wikipedia pages on open source software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software and propriety software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software so that gives a bit of background to what we'll be working on. i know on tuesday they'll be a lecture on it so we will al probably know more then too. i think i'll make a section where we can suggest ideas for specific topics to write on e.g. theorists. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 21:22, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Contributors
1 MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 21:03, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

2 Gooblefly (discuss • contribs) 14:45, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

3 Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 12:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

4 DayleCleland (discuss • contribs) 03:45, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

5 RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 11:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

6 Spedlow (discuss • contribs) 11:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

7 ReluctantCyborg (discuss • contribs) 11:15, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

8 Kurtismccallie95 (discuss • contribs) 14:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

9 Robert Di Hero (discuss • contribs) 17:17, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

10 Sdov48 (discuss • contribs) 16:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

11 TheDoctor1888 (discuss • TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 13:44, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

12 Conrhyss (discuss • contribs) 20:35, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

13Jowettgreen (Jowettgreen • contribs) 09:54, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

14 JamesHerdTHE3rd1845 ([User talk:JamesHerdTHE3rd1845|JamesHerdTHE3rd1845]] contribs) 15:51, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Ideas for sub-topics
i was thinking that a lot of the wikibook would focus on the contrast between the two technologies since there exist articles on both of them independently, although we would still need to talk about them separately at least at first to give an initial overview. we could look at the position of different theorists possibly for a section of the wikibook? MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 21:31, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Hey Robot, I think looking into them separately and then contrasting them would be a good place to start! I also think the wiki pages you linked to above are really helpful in their structure, gives us an idea of how we can approach this topic. I think if we briefly outline their historical context first, then develop into issues such as their development, uses, pros/cons, examples, etc. We'll need to decide how we're going to divide up the work between us. Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 13:05, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

So after the lecture and wiki lab I've got a clearer idea of what we have to do. several topics were discussed such as copyright, hackers, android vs IOS, creative commons, the hardware, the security of the differing softwares and a few more. perhaps after the introduction we could make the topics which we work off like the examples in bold. Discuss the topic i.e security of software in a rough pros and cons sense as carys discussed for both open software and proprietary. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 14:39, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually instead of having android vs ios as its own topic it could be a sub-topic under a topic of specific examples of open source software vs proprietery which could also include UNIX vs GNU vs Linux MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 15:16, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

They way you have mentioned about UNIX vs GNU vs Linux, could you also go into the argument of Google Chrome vs Internet Explorer vs Mozilla Firefox? Or am I going off topic? Spedlow (discuss • contribs) 16:07, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

hey, i was just going through the discussion page and i must have missed your comment above about the idea of doing google chrome vs internet explorer vs firefox. i came across that in my own research but hadn't realised you had proposed that first. my apologies. it definitely wasn't off topic! im sorry it got misssed initially, its probably my favourite example of open versus proprietary software. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 01:52, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Hey guys in case you are a bit confused about the topics which are being spoke about here have a look at lecture 7 ‘Collective Intelligence 2: Networks and open source’. it has all the information about potential sub topics which we can cover. Also if you missed the lecture the Listen Again is already up. I would strongly suggest you listen to it to gather an understanding about our part of the project. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 16:23, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Hey everyone. I thought I’d just put down a list of the things we could talk about as topics or sub topics. As we really need to start organising what group/person is doing what topic as we only have 9 days left! These are the topics I thought we could cover:

1.	Introduction

2.	Definition of both open source and Proprietary software. Maybe a little history. The idea of authorship, where it originated from.

3.	The Hacker Ethic- the 6 codes of the hacker ethic. Steven Levy’s book ‘Hackers’ would help whoever does this subject.

4.	Creative Commons vs copyright. This could go on to include why people like Bill gates went from being someone who supports open source to supporting

5.	UNIX vs GNU- or a modern day comparison

6.	Examples of open sourced software- are the better/worse than Proprietary software.

7.	Android vs IOS- Android being the open source and IOS (Apple) being the proprietary software.

8.	How LINUX became a success

9.	Open source Software- What is open source, examples of open source, criticisms of open source, and benefits of it.

10.	Proprietary Software- What is proprietary software, examples, benefits of it, criticisms.

These are in no particular order but I thought we should get some solid topics sorted as I feel like we are behind. Hopefully by the end of tomorrow we will have the structure of the essay sorted. Feel free to edit the list to add more in. Thanks RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 13:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't mind taking option 9, 6 or 4, but if it is a first come, first serve basis, then I'll take option 4. Mostly because I have to face that battle of finding creative commons and copyrighted content every other day for my design projects. Robert Di Hero (discuss • contribs) 14:27, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I would like to take option 3 but I can take 7, 9 or 10 if someone else wants to do option 3. Spedlow (discuss • contribs) 15:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

This is good we are finally going somewhere. I guess the next step for us is to create a new topic with the option you are doing and use it to brainstorm. Then we can chip in and help. I'll take 9, 10 if you are doing 3. But it’s important we all chip in for intro as well. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 16:03, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

HEY GUYS super excited we're getting going now, thanks Ryan & Euan for your awesome work! Just a suggestion, feel free to disagree, but I was thinking we could we merge 1 & 2, so the intro is talking about "Definition of both open source and Proprietary software..." etc? Also I would be happy to do anything really, whatever no one else wants to do. Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 17:53, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Carys, I think a separate section on history might be better. I'd also like to ask if each section is strictly a one person thing? There's at least meant to be more people participating than there are topics, and while we could still suggest more I at least would be more comfortable contributing to a section as part of a joint effort. -ReluctantCyborg (discuss • contribs) 20:01, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I definitely think we can have more than one person contributing to one section, the trick is keeping it coherent. I'd imagine we're going to end up with lots more sub-headings as well, to split it up more. Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 21:12, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree with you guys completely however there are only 9 people contributing so far! I'm pretty sure there's meant to be 20-30 contributors in each chapter. If two people want to contribute to the same topic then that's okay (I think). Personally I think the more people who contribute to a topic the better. I’m just really keen to get started on my research and get some words on paper. Also feel free to edit the topics I highlighted and merge certain topics together or create more. I was just trying to get the ball rolling. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 21:52, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

hey guys, I didnt realise how soon the deadline for our project is! very sorry for my lack of input so far! I'm happy to do number 9 if nobody else is claiming it! DayleCleland (discuss • contribs) 18:05, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey, I've merged topic 9 and 10 together as I thought it would make more sense. I’ve already started writing about it and doing my research but if you wish to contribute to that part of the page I’m more than willing to collaborate with you. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 11:34, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I've been away for wikibooks for a couple of days and i've back to a load of new sections on the discussion page, this is brilliant. the topic im really interested in doing is android vs ios. number 7. im also interested on how linux became a success ( topic 8) I'm going to put my name down for number 7 and anyone can join me ( i'll make a new heading in the discussion page for it). i would also be happy to help if someone else is interested in doing Linux. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 03:11, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a good idea, what have you got so far and where can I help to collaborate? DayleCleland (discuss • contribs) 13:55, 6 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Well I'm well into doing Open Source Software so if you want you could do Propriatery Software or you could do a Open Source vs proprietary source taking into example UNIX vs GNU or Android vs IOS. However you would have to check and make sure no one else is doing that. If you chose Proprietary technology then my sub headings on the subject could keep our structure similar and possibly make it easier for you. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 13:35, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

I was interested in featuring another contemporary example of open source vs proprietary and i found one in looking at web browsers. internet explorer is closed whereas all the other main ones eg firfox, chrome are open source. i thought this would be another good sub topic. i'd really like to be a part of this one too but perhaps someone would be interested in collaborating with me? theres a lot of good debate and sources and it isnt too difficult to get your head around MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 17:50, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi all, I too was a little unaware that the deadline was this soon and I've been very snowed under lately! but will get to work right away. Kurtismccallie95 (discuss • contribs) 23:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I am aware the deadline is today and i have done quite a bit of work on this but haven't posted it as I wasn't sure where to put it. Anyone please feel free to edit or add to the work i'm about to post. I've had a quick read through some of the comments and whoever came up with the structure of it, I love it! thanks for all the help and i will be adding to this most of the day (: Jowettgreen (discuss • contribs) 09:59, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Good luck both of you! MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 12:24, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

General Comments
I thought I'd just make this topic to help place our comments and thoughts into an organized structure and if we have any questions or useful information we could place it here. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs)

Hey Guys. I've just been looking at the other groups discussion pages and on the 'Public and Private Spheres in the Digital Age' they have split up the contributors into their original groups. This made the whole structure feel more fluent. I think this makes it easier to start delegating topics and roles into the groups so we can start researching and writing about the topics/sub topics. I'm not the best with WikiBooks so if anyone has an idea on how to do this please feel free to edit the contributors page. Let me know what you guys think. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 16:41, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

When ever you're writing or editing there is a 'Help' section which helps you make the basic things needed such as headings, links, lists etc. If you do need some help however you can ask me personally, I'm not a professional, but I have got the basics down. Robert Di Hero (discuss • contribs) 17:43, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello all! Popping over from "Access to Digital Tech" group just to say I'm doing a section on censorship. I know it also fits into the idea of "open source", so if anyone wants to collaborate with me, just pop on over to our discussion page and scroll down - my "censorship" stuff should be on there. I don't mind splitting the workload if we both are basically doing the same section! :) Hfk667 (discuss • contribs) 09:53, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Hey there! I'm looking at Hacking for the "Access to Information" chapter. If anyone wants to talk about it in this chapter, too, let's exchange ideas & collaborate on this, last thing we want is two people to just repeat each other! Just pop me a comment in the "Illegal Access" section on our page, or on my discussion page. Cheers & good luck --Chickpeanut (discuss • contribs) 12:48, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Picking up from what the previous user said who talked about Hackers guys I read your comments on how to organise your book and I think you are in a very good path. You may want to check out Smart mobs : the next social revolution by Howard Rheingold who talks about the first hacking communities led by people like Richard Stallman who built the first source code for a free OS (the GNU you refer to above). He is also a key figure in your book I think. Also the term hacker didn't mean anything more than Computer creator at the time. Srepanis (discuss • contribs) 16:56, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

This is excellent! This will good to do extra reading to add to the topic and add extra bulk overall! Spedlow (discuss • contribs) 17:07, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Just to say that if you're working on topic 4, I'd recommend Benkler, Yochai's The Wealth of Networks chapter 2 if you haven't looked at it already. It has some useful criticisms on copyright and publishing regulations. If you like, we could make a section dedicated to that section below like what has been done for section 3 and I will just post some of the quotes I've found. -ReluctantCyborg (discuss • contribs) 16:40, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for sharing! The more content we can use to reference and develop the article, the better, I really appreciate that. Robert Di Hero (discuss • contribs) 19:14, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I've just finished an essay for a different class and I'm now giving full attention to this! I'm happy to take whatever subjects haven't been taken yet! Gooblefly (discuss • contribs) 11:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I hope no one minds, but I put in a placeholder introduction, just so the page isn't blank. Please improve upon it as you see fit. -ReluctantCyborg (discuss • contribs) 20:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Things have really picked up team, books now taking shape and looking good, so big props to everyone, lets keep it going TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 21:24, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Just noticing that 'Authorship' is the only area that nobody's looked into yet, or at least not put a name or any data on the Table or discussion page. I'm not quite ready to jump sections yet, but if anyone has a plan on how to tackle this part then i'd be happy to chip in soon enough TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 11:38, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

This isn't directed at anyone in particular so thought I'd share it here: I've found some really helpful stuff on this website if anyone is interested. It's got lots of good articles on UNIX/GNU, as well as all kinds of other stuff. Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 23:37, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

I thought I'd just mention that I am getting work done, but I am currently writing it up on a word document first, then I'll add what I wrote bit by bit, I hope it is just me, but I have encountered a few problems when trying to save what I wrote. Robert Di Hero (discuss • contribs) 03:20, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

that website will be useful to me, ive looking for some concrete academia in the form of a journal or book. In my searching for books on the subject they all seem to be about designing apps! i havent encountered any problems when saving but i have used microsoft word for sure once im finished writing as an added spellcheck. good to hear you're getting along well. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 22:20, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I encountered many problems with saving it to the wikibook, it kept flagging up errors so I did the same and kept it on a word document, I found uploading it in small chunks to easily see what parts flagged the error and then changed, don't understand all the errors myself. Referencing a wikipedia page incorrectly throws up an error too, you can't just post the hyperlink. Conrhyss (discuss • contribs) 13:04, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Just to say, I'm going to go through and check spelling and grammar and such just for the sake of a nice presentation. -ReluctantCyborg (discuss • contribs) 15:04, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Excellent! ive done that a bit, also ive been adding some wikipedia links MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Help!
'''This is the help section of the discussion page. If anyone is stuck and has a general query ask it here and it will be answered ( hopefully). In this section you can also post general tips and tricks to using wikibooks. Remember to check this section regularly. thanks to RyanMurray96 for starting this section. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 15:43, 5 March 2016 (UTC)'''

Hey everyone, now that our chat is really getting going, it may be best to start organising our messages more e.g. replying to the user so they get a notification. I am still pretty new to Wikipedia but I found this page to help a lot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages. This page on formatting should help make your section look cleaner and easier to follow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting. Hope it helps. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 11:08, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Cheers RyanMurray96 that page will come in handy, especially with regards to the referencing. ( i tried intend your username so you'd get a notification but must be doing something wrong, ill figure it soon though!) the following page https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Using_Wikibooks would be useful in referring to as well. one topic on the page is about adding images, which definitely adds some professionalism to the page. i think we would all find it useful https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Using_Wikibooks MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 15:43, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the shout out, Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages on how to tag peoples names and talk properly on wikibooks. If you are still struggling go in to edit and look at how I replied to you and copy and paste it. changing it to the username you want of course. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 16:23, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Hey guys, the wikibook project from last year used referencing so we probably should too. It's not a link to somewhere (at least, not necessarily), but you wouldn't write an essay without referencing. Use this link to find out how to do it: referencing for beginners -ReluctantCyborg (discuss • contribs) 13:01, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Can anyone show me how to reference a book within the book and link it to the reference section at the end. Thanks! Spedlow (discuss • contribs) 19:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, if you follow my link in the comment above your there's a guide. But for convenience, immediately after the thing you want to reference type #ref# reference info here #/ref# but replace the #s with these brackets: < >.  Also, consider looking at a reference someone's already made and edit the section so you can see the formatting in action.  Hope that helps. -ReluctantCyborg (discuss • contribs) 22:00, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * There is also a button when editing the Wikibook page if you don't want to type the brackets manually! When editing content, there is a picture of a book, if you type your reference, highlight it and press the button then it will automatically format it for you! Hopefully this helps a bit. Gooblefly (discuss • contribs) 15:04, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Just an extra page that I don't believe has been posted anywhere for help is the Wiki Markup page which will help with all the markup language if anyone is still having trouble! Sorry if it's late, but still handy for finalization! Conrhyss (discuss • contribs) 21:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

this page is going to help a lot for me. still getting to grips with some of the more intricate aspects of the wikibooks platform. cheers! MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 02:09, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Does anyone know what style of referenceing we use for Wikibooks? Is it the usual one we use for our media mudule? RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 15:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

i've just been looking at how other wikipedia and wikibooks pages have been referenced and will follow on from that (still not quite there yet though myself) MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 22:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Does anyone know what to do when if you've used the exact same reference twice? are they both just written the same but numbered differently?MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 02:39, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I believe it can be done with giving the reference a name, for example   and then referring back with the same   or maybe try  . I've not used either of these myself but hopefully they will help somehow! I can try and play about to get it in the morning if you have no luck! Conrhyss (discuss • contribs) 03:51, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Also I've changed the Contents to my page for my part (2) to show the year, and the sub contents of software. Feel free if anyone disagrees to take the software titles (sub contents) out, was trying to work out how to have the years expanding out when clicked on if anyone knows how to do this? that's if I'm making sense! Conrhyss (discuss • contribs) 03:51, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Would anyone be able to help me with inserting a couple of images? i know its quite late on and everyone's probably very busy. ive been trying to work it out but im struggling and ultimately wasting time. one image to be inserted on the right hand side of 'development of android' section; the android symbol with the text underneath stating so. the other image is in the 'development of IOS' section; Steve jobs unavailing the original iPhone with the text underneath stating, " Steve Jobs unveiling the iPhone (January, 9 2007) MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 13:39, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Hey  I'm happy to help just now, I don't know if I'll be able to do it but I can give it a go! I may visit the teahouse if I can't figure it out. Do you want to message me the pictures or something?

Thank you! who am i speaking to by the way? that's the firts hurdle i cant get over, is there a database of pictures to use on wikipedia or can you just get them from online?MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 14:25, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

looking into it further i have now set up a wikimedia commons account. think i might be able to work this out now, will keep you posted!MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 14:29, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay, i found the images, if you copy and paste these the image will show up but it will still need to be formatted and text added. thank you again so much for this! I have taken the needed second bracket off the end of the files so you can see them. just need to add a final closed bracket to the end of that.

[[File:Android 96px.png|Android 96px]

Steve Jobs presents iPhone.jpg|Steve Jobs presents iPhone]   [[User:MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 14:42, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Whoops, forgot my tildes!! Haha. Sweet, I can do that. :) Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 14:51, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I've not done this, I couldn't figure out how :/ Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 16:23, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

hey, dont worry about it, thank you for trying though!! MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

NEVERMIND I figured it out!!!! :D :D :D Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 16:34, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

thank you!!! i just saw that! i was just scolling down page and was very pleasantly suprised to see a nice little android logo. if i remember correctly the steve jobs one is quite big so that will have to be made smaller. thanks again for this! MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 16:37, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

no worries, you nailed it! MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 16:38, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I just made it a thumbnail. B) Have you added to the glossary at all? Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 16:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

yeah, ive writen out 5 words and brief definitions in the glossary section of the discussion page, just going to trasfer them over in a few minutes. quick question, how do you put the text in a box? MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 16:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Uh, you mean like this??? Java 1.0 Promised "Write Once, Run Anywhere" Just copy pasted it from someone else Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 16:52, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

an observation...
As of this date, still no content on the book page! Should I be concerned? Get the book page populated asap - it's much harder to start writing from nothing than it is to add to and edit existing content, so with that in mind I would crack on with it, y'all. By the way, this discussion page is starting to look like you mean business. That's encouraging - keep it up!! GregXenon01 (discuss • contribs) 16:11, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Introduction
I thought we could all chip in to this. Just going over the main topics we will be covering. as it is an important part of our book. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 16:08, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Going on from what was said in the lecture about it being easier for people to add to something existing, do you think it would be a good idea if i wrote out an introduction ( relatively brief) today and then people can edit it later on. ill just touch briefly on all the topics and the we can all just add to the bit about the specific section we are doing. It's totally okay if you think the introduction should be more collaborative form the start and dont think i should do this, i dont want to impose myself too much on the group project. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 17:38, 7 March 2016 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a great idea! It would definitely make it easier. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 21:50, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

im just working on the introduction( very brief, will later be edited) and was wondering about the order of the book. i was thinking it might look better to have your in depth analysis of the two software nearer the start and then finish the book by looking at in depth examples. therefore the reader would have a stronger idea of how to understand the detailed examples. where do you think your sections should be? MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 11:50, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Intro looks sufficient at time of writing, so props to those that contributed, i'm sure it will suffice until we've populated the rest of the book TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 14:02, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Section 2 History of open source and propriety software
This section is still available. comment below if you want it MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 18:17, 8 March 2016 (UTC) Forgot to comment here to say I'll be doing it Conrhyss (discuss • contribs) 17:19, 9 March 2016 (UTC) Just making some notes as I go along transferring from one I've made already.

-Related/possible sources -

http://www.academia.edu/777383/Open_Source_v._Proprietary_Software

http://www.slideshare.net/Lavan1997/open-source-software-vs-proprietary-software

http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/01/15/the-9-most-important-events-in-open-source-history/

http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/definition/Unix

http://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.en.html

In summary, these are believed to be the most historical moments in the history of open source and proprietary technologies.

Open sourcing of
 * 1980 - Usenet arrives
 * 1983 - Richard Stallman stars the GNU project
 * 1989- Work begins on 386BSD (FreeBSD)
 * 1991 - Linus Torvalds creates Linux
 * 1993 - The founding of Red Hat
 * 1994 - Development starts on MySQL
 * 1996 - Apache takes over the Web
 * 1998 - Netscape open sources its web browser
 * 2004 - Canonical releases Ubuntu
 * Java?
 * Initiated in 1991, released in 1995. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)#History (done)
 * Eclipse and NetBeans?
 * (Netbeans Initiated in 1996, released in 1997) (Eclipse 1.0 released in 2001)
 * Solaris and the launch of OpenSolaris?
 * Solaris was released 1991, leading onto openSolaris to be initiated in 2004, and released in 2005.
 * Open Office? -
 * The project began when Sun Microsystems released the source code for its StarOffice in 2000.

-information-

Pre 1980 Unix is said to be the start of a technological advancement in computing. In the early 1970's it was the first operating system written in the C language with Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie believed to be the original creators. It was the first open sourced operating system that was free to be be added to, improved and enhanced by anyone. It's the starting ground to many software's we use today.

1980 -1990 The start of open source and proprietary technologies began before the 1980's but there wasn't much that was easily available before this time because it wasn't until 1980 that useNet arrived. Usenet was the first way to share and collaborate on a worldwide level. With the release of Usenet it was the start of both the sharing of Open source information and file sharing.

The next historical moment in Open source and proprietary software was the introduction to the GNU Project by Richard Stallman. GNU is another operating system project to respect users freedom which itself has done by different open sourced programs that are not GNU software to create itself. When GNU was created, the "Free Software Movement" began. The idea of the Free Software Movement is that computer users deserve the freedom to form a community.

In the late 1980's work began on 386BSD. 386BSD is also known as "Jolix", which is another free operating system moving on from Unix. This is another advancement in the historical moments as it then led on to FreeBSD and NetBSD.

1990 -2000

This decade has influenced the Open source and proprietary software greatly. Along side the advancements, in 1991 Linus Torvalds made the decision to develop Linux, which advances on the GNU operating system, to provide a completely free and open source operating system.

In 1993 the founding of Red Hat took place. Red Hat is a company based around a Linux distribution, proving that open source software can be highly profitable. They strive on they're motto's:   "Every solution starts with sharing a problem. Technology thrives in the open, where people are free to share their ideas and build on the work of others." "Creation is always an act of collaboration"

In 1995 both MySQL and the first Java source programing language was released. MySQL is an open-source relational database management system based on the language ISAM. The first public release of java 1.0 was by Sun Microsystems in 1995 also. It wasn't until 2006 with the introduction of OpenJDK until Sun Microsystems made all the java packages Open Sourced programs. Java 1.0 Promised "Write Once, Run Anywhere"

Later on towards the end of the decade we saw the advancement with the release of Apache. The foundations of Apache were made in an attempt to expand on the NCSA HTTPd servers after progress had stalled Apache is a freely available web server that is distributed under a open source license.

In the year 1998, Netscape open sources its web browser. Mozilla is a free software community that was created by Netscape. With it being open sourced it gives the users the ability to use, develop and spread the product. Mozilla also then went on to create Mozilla Firefox which is a well known web browser to the current day.

2000 -2010

Advancements in open sourced and proprietary software kept excelling through the 2000's also. It was in 2001 OpenOffice was first released which then branched off into Apache OpenOffice, LibreOffice and Oracle OpenOffice (Being the only closed source which was discontinued) OpenOffice was a open-sourced office suite program which rivaled along side Microsoft Office.

It wasn't until 2004 that the very popular Debian-based Linux distribution Ubuntu was released. "Ubuntu is an open source software platform that runs everywhere from the smartphone, the tablet and the PC to the server and the cloud." The Ubuntu logo symbol is to represent "circle of friends' to show collaboration with the open sourced software. This is a very historical moment as there are now over 24 official releases of Ubuntu, with many more unofficial versions.

-Open source-

-Proprietary sources-

Comments, tips and help on part 2

Feel free to Comment any ideas anyone else has here Conrhyss (discuss • contribs) 17:45, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Section (3) The Hacker Ethic- the 6 codes of the hacker ethic.
As I have said before I would be willing to take on this part of the chapter. Over the the next few days I'll be reading around the topic to gain a better insight. I'll also be adding a articles, books and other sources that I can find that are relevant to the subject. If anyone else is wanting to collaborate on the topic if you haven't got one or already picked one, any sources that you may come across, put them up here as well so they can be discussed and researched on! Spedlow (discuss • contribs) 17:13, 2 March 201==

Criminal vs Creative
This is a start of how I am going to structure this. Going to go back through the lecture to to broaden my knowledge on the topic area.


 * Hey, is doing the same topic as you in their chapter. Don’t forget to go over and collaborate with them. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 13:58, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Cheers! I'll make sure to do that. Spedlow (discuss • contribs) 14:02, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Also I forgot to mention this book by Steven Levy 'Hackers, Heroes of the Computer Revoloution' I've read some of it and it seems to cover a lot of information you could use. heres the link http://manybooks.net/titles/levystevetext96hckrs10.html. Have fun reading. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 14:10, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. I will make sure to look into this! Spedlow (discuss • contribs) 14:24, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Section (4) Creative Commons vs Copyright
here are a few quotes from the Benkler text I mentioned. Apologies if you've already seen them. -ReluctantCyborg (discuss • contribs) 20:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * ‘From the perspective of a society’s overall welfare, the most efficient thing would be for those who possess information to give it away for free…On any given day, enforcing copyright law leads to inefficient underutilization of copyrighted information…we are willing to have some inefficient lack of access to information every day, in exchange for getting more people involved in information production over time.’ P.37


 * ‘if any new information good or innovation builds on existing information, then strengthening intellectual property rights increases the prices that those who invest in producing information today must pay to those who did so yesterday, in addition to increasing the rewards an information producer can get tomorrow.’ P.38


 * ‘Today’s users of information are not only today’s readers and consumers. They are also today’s producers and tomorrow’s innovators.' p.38


 * ‘If we pass a law that regulates information production too strictly, allowing its beneficiaries to impose prices that are too high on today’s innovators, then we will have not only too little consumption of information today, but also too little production of new information for tomorrow’ p.38

You may have already come across this book in your research but there is an ebook in the library which i came across today that has a detailed chapter on copyright titled About Protecting Property (4). this is the link ( i hope it works) http://site.ebrary.com/lib/stir/reader.action?docID=10082000&ppg=141  The ebook is called, 'open source software law' MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 17:27, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Link works fine, good find buddy, gonna give that a quick read as I was already looking into this section a little bit TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 13:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Working on Android and IOS section in tandem with MrRobot 123, so this section is still available for anyone to jump on TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 20:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Added what I found to this section, but anyone else feel free to add to it. TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 21:25, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Section 3 (Hackers)
http://site.ebrary.com/lib/stir/reader.action?docID=10285276 http://site.ebrary.com/lib/stir/reader.action?docID=10285276 http://site.ebrary.com/lib/stir/reader.action?docID=10695827

These are three sources that I have found on top of what I have previously mentioned. I have not read through them all yet but I will soon be able to add more to my research over the coming days to compile a draft of my topic for you to read and comment on.

Spedlow (discuss • contribs) 17:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Found another website that might be handy for you to use for your section, which kind of links in with mine with the history.

http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/hackers.html

section 5.1 UNIX & GNU
This topic is still available. comment below if you want itMrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 18:17, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm working on this! Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 19:30, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Awesome! good luck!! MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 20:29, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Here's some quotes I'm finding useful from here:
 * "UNIX could be run an wide range of machines [5]. Additionally, Unix computers worked often together on networks. The creation of a community of interconnected Unix users stimulated further the habit of sharing programs"
 * "the proliferation of different commercial versions proved to be disastrous, leading to a "balkanisation" of users and progressive frustration in creating generalized cross–platform applications"
 * "in 1984 Richard Stallman founded the Free Software Foundation (FSF). The aim of the foundation was to recreate the "open" environment characteristic of computing in its early history. The first task chosen by the FSF was the production of a non–proprietary operating system in order to create an "open" environment, named GNU (which stands for "GNU is Not UNIX")."
 * "The programs were developed in such a way that they could run on almost every version of UNIX. The development of GNU software was organized by means of a sort of "future tasks" list, which was used to stimulate FSF collaborators to work at the development of the missing parts of the GNU system"
 * "In order to protect the GNU software from being turned into proprietary software, Stallman introduced a particular licensing procedure called General Public License (GPL, also known as "copyleft"). The GPL permits the free distribution, modification and redistribution of a modified version of the programs it covers. The main characteristic feature is that modified versions of programs licensed under the GPL, must be also licensed under the same terms. This is also called the "viral" clause, because it "infects" all the code that is bundled together with GPL pieces of code."

I'm going to be using this stuff to write my piece, also let me know if you would like to chip in/collaborate, or if you need help with a topic & some input. :) Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 00:10, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Alrighty, this is what I've got so far! Please feel free to chip in with anything else if you feel something needs to be added. This is a work in progress, I'll be finalising this section very soon!:

[UNIX] is the of the earliest operating systems was developed in Bell Labs in 1969 by Ken Thompson. It is the foundation which Mac OS X is built upon. It could be run on many different machines, and UNIX computers could work together on networks. UNIX was a proprietary system as Bell Labs had protected the copyright so that it was a very closed system which could not be shared. The UNIX code had to be entered manually from a source code book in order to work on a system, which seems to us today highly inefficient.

Richard Stallman wanted to adapt UNIX into a more sharable open system. In 1984 he created the Free Software Foundation (FSF)*LINK*. “The aim of the foundation was to recreate the "open" environment characteristic of computing in its early history.” Stallman invented GNU*link* (“GNU is not UNIX”) by rebuilding UNIX in a new way to be open and shareable, so users could adapt and change the code as they wished. GNU was able to run on any system which already supported UNIX. “In order to protect the GNU software from being turned into proprietary software, Stallman introduced a particular licensing procedure called General Public License (GPL, also known as "copyleft").” Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 21:37, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Section (5.2) How Linux became a Success
Weber, S. Success of Open Source seems like a promising source of information on Linux, worth a look regardless -ReluctantCyborg (discuss • contribs) 21:37, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Section 5.3 Android vs IOS
If anyone wants to help with this topic then absolutely feel free to. just comment away under this topic and we can begin to collaborate. in the mean time ill start work on the topic, but don't worry, they'll be lots to write about so don't think you cant parter me on this if you want to help out a few days from now, there will still be lots to do. In fact, it can be 3 people if you want. I'll put up information I find useful on the topic here too. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 03:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I'll jump onto this section and begin work, been forgetting to leave comments for a few days but on top of it now. Will post more info on android and IOS as I get it, but anyone come across any data thats valuable just send it my way TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 13:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

hey, ive already done quite a a lot of work on this section, i just havent posted it yet. my research has been looking at the history, pros and cons generally, and the popularity of the two systems. a few topics that i haven't looked at too much that you could look into detail for would be, security of the two platforms, the specific software specifications and types and number of apps available on the platforms. would you be up for doing those 3 sub topics and ill continue with the three ive been working on? MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 17:14, 8 March 2016 (UTC) In fact, you could look at apps generally as a sub topic under 'android and ios'. there is lots to say, when looking at the number available on the differing platforms here are two helpful wikipedia pages that show immediately the availability of open source apps on the two software; IOS - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_iOS_applications Android - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_Android_applications  MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 17:42, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

No problem, on top of it now, thanks for the links, will be a good start TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 19:12, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

just having a look at the book there, so far so good! the information you've put up is really detailed and, although i know it will be further edited, is still nicely structured. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 02:48, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Cheers bud, yeah taking shape, plenty more to add yet of course, but any suggestions or that, or any problems with what ive edited just give me a shout TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 10:24, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

you know how apple is in the news with regards to not letting the FBI have complete access to their devices(regarding the shootings in California), i think this might be quite good to discuss under the security section cause it will be linked to IOS being closed. what do you think? MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 15:06, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah spot on man, and you know what, i was reading something earlier today about all that concerning the FBI and stuff, but it was early in the day, so i stupidly didnt save the page or bookmark it.............i'll look into it though TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 15:11, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Found the page I scrolled through earlier, looks like some info we can use on here, there is a part down the bottom about 'Collabration with the NSA'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.

Yeah, theres plenty of interesting points there which we could talk about from that page! that last bit about PRISM is actually pretty scary stuff. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 15:40, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

just to say, i tend to work better at nights, especially with this sort of thing, really late ( like early morning), so all my information probably wont be up until tomorrow morning but i've got a good idea of what im saying and plenty of resources at the moment. also, ive made lots of sub topics for android and IOS. this just makes it easier for me to edit my bits and once its complete the sub sections could be changed back to just bold titles. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 16:29, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm the same really, except my best time is early in the morning, plus it takes me close to 3 hours each day to reach Stirling, so my train journeys are perfect for getting work done. We're almost there anyway, so i think we're gonna be good TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 17:25, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

ive made a bit of a start but ive obviously still got plenty to do. i still need to reference properly as well. i will do that tomorrow. Im now thinking i wont be finished on this section until late on thursday night. I am very sorry. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 03:32, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Don't stress it dude, we'll get there, the books looking decent anyway TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 07:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Section 5.4 Web Browsers
This is quite a nice topic. relatively easy to get your head around and there's plenty of easy to understand articles on this. anyone interested in taking on this? id be happy to help out with it as well MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 18:10, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

I can jump on this and look into things tonight, no idea where to start though so any points in a direction would be greatly appreciated! Gooblefly (discuss • contribs) 16:38, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

hey, looking forward to collaborating with you on this. here is a link, introducing the debate. it argues that internet explorer should discontinue being proprietary. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/01/its-time-for-microsoft-to-open-source-internet-explorer/ Essentially of the top 5 most used web browsers, only internet explorer is proprietary. the easiest way for us to go about doing this topic would be to split it into sub topics and then bring our work together and then review it. Ill be doing the bulk of my writing on the book on wednesday the 9th( this topic and my other topic). here are some ideas for sub topics;

-decline of internet explorer ( possible link to proprietary?) public backlash

-why being a propriety web browser is advantageous

-why being an propriety web browser is disadvantageous

-the history of internet explorer (early years)

-the history of the other top 4 web browsers

-microsoft - an essentially propriety based company? - link to other products

If you have any you'd like to add or alter after you've done some reading then absolutely please do. then we can split them up tonight and get cracking! MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 17:29, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I certainly think talking about Internet Explorer as the only entirely proprietary browser is important, but I feel like we should have an equal focus on Firefox as well, given it's the only entirely open source browser. I also found this http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp which gives data on usage of the top five browsers up to 2002. Even if it's not that useful, it's interesting to look at at least! Gooblefly (discuss • contribs) 17:42, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

that link is exactly what i was thinking of! it perfect for using when talking about the decline of internet explorer and firefox too. nice work. i didnt know that about firfox, that's really interesting actually. perhaps then we dont have to talk about microsoft genearlly, could bring the history of intenet explorer together with it's decline and make firfox its own seperate topic. Essentially, i could talk about internet explorer ( history, poularity, pros and cons) and you could talk about firfox mainly and briefly the other 3 and their ( history, popularity, pros, cons)? MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 17:51, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Maybe we should change the topic name now that firefox will be a key part of it too. any suggestions? MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 17:55, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I think our focus should be on the largest three, with IE and Firefox being polar opposites, one entirely proprietary and the other entirely open source, and Google Chrome being the most popular. Of the remaining two, Opera and Safari, I only see relevance talking about Safari and it's importance in terms of usage in iOS devices whichI think is certainly worth looking at briefly. Also, on a different not, I found that the previous data I linked to wasn't considered to be all that reliable and the data on this wiki page is considered to be a little more accurate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Historical_usage_share.

As for the name, I have no ideas. I'm drawing a blank on that! Gooblefly (discuss • contribs) 18:32, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

You make a good point. if google chrome is the most popular then surley we should spend a lot of the topic discussing this. Maybe we should just mkae 5 seperste topics, one for each browser? im working on another topic so maybe i could take 2 and you could take 3? or do you have another idea of how we coukld do it? MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 20:35, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Good discussion on this guys, just thinking, how about a section on each of the big 3, Chrome, Explorer and Firefox, then just one more section entititled 'Others'. Just an idea, as i do agree the main 3 should have more space dedicated to them. TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 20:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I almost feel like there isn't anything to say about Opera as a browser, I've found plenty to talk about Firefox, IE and Chrome, and a little to talk about Safari in relation to its exclusivity to iOS and Apple devices. I think we could easily manage cutting Opera out and focusing on the four more interesting browsers. Or, at least, name dropping Opera as one of the primary five bit not really going into detail. I think we're best doing the topics kinda like;

- Introduction to Web browsers - We outline the main five and their varying degrees of Open source/proprietary.

- Decline of Internet explorer - Talk about how IE has been in decline for years and discuss whether or not the fact that it is solely proprietary contributes to that.

- Decline of Firefox - As above, but talking about how it's solely Open source.

- the rise of Google Chrome - How Chrome hit its stride, why it's so much more popular than the other four.

- Safari and iOS - Talk about how integration with certain software like the iPhone has aided the popularity of Safari greatly.

Just trying to spitball ideas, but I feel like that gives us more streamlined topics and keeps us closer to the topic. Feel free to suggest changes! Gooblefly (discuss • contribs) 21:35, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

i like those topic outlines a lot, you're right, it does make it a lot more streamlined. Do you have a preference for which ones you would like to do? also, would it be alright to talk a bit about internet explorers dominance/ early histroy, briefly first, then go onto its decline or should that be more in the introduction? MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 22:57, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, you can certainly do the IE stuff, and talking about it's early days is a good idea as a part of it's actual discussion. I can tackle the last three topics if you want to sort out the introduction and Internet Explorer? You expressed an interest in doing fewer topics given you had other things to write, so if you'd rather switch I'm happy with that. Gooblefly (discuss • contribs) 00:14, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

i'm very happy with doing the first two 2 topics ( introduction & IE). Thank you for offering to take more topics, if i dont think ill be able to do it ill let you know as soon as but those 2 topics should be okay. i hope to have it complete by thursday afternoon. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 02:03, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

You guys definitely got this section covered, your all over it by the looks of it, good choices of topics your talking about. If you run out of time, or need anything else sourced, just give me shout TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 11:32, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

im very sorry to ask this of you but would you be able to take over my 2 topics ( introduction and IE)? I've still got a lot of work to do in android and ios. if you've got a lot to do as well, its okay, i could probably get it done on the friday. ill just collect some of the references i had looked at and post them here MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 10:23, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers - this features a nice table regarding browser usage

http://www.jstor.org/stable/117217 - a short jounal piece that looks at the intergration of IE into windows

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/the-rise-and-fall-of-internet-explorer/ - generally just a solid insight into the subject

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4555378.stm

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2907278/dont-hold-your-breath-why-windows-wont-be-open-source-any-time-soon.html - this artcile looks at windows in general but may be useful to understand proprietary as linked to the microsoft name

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-ad-painfully-honest/ - this article features a video for an IE advert that accepts the poor quality of previos versions. ( IE was poor by microsofts own admission)

http://www.ib-article.com/2013/01/advantages-and-disadvantages-of-each.html - very brief description of pros and cons, starting point for further research on the article

I've struggled to find academic reading on this topic( just like with android and ios). perhaps im looking up the wrong keywords. Here are some points i was intending to talk about, maybe you could use some of these;

Who invented internet explorer and when

why was it proprietry? is this with the common trend at the time and microsoft's history using proprietry

why it was so popular? Limited competition?

Why did it stop being so popular?

pros and cons of Ie ( windows intergration, security, speed, user experiance(could look at surveys))

Ie is freeware, explain what that is - https://www.maketecheasier.com/free-software-vs-open-source-vs-freeware/

Seeing as your doing the google chrome section you could structue IE in the same way actually. that might make it easier. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 11:02, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I'll see what I can get done, if I'm tackling all topics I may have to mesh some together, maybe just making the first section why both Firefox and IE are failing and take it from there. If you get time, any more input you can muster would be great, but I should be able to handle this. I'll write up each individual section and post it on the page, spell checking or just pointing out ideas I might have missed would be of great help. Gooblefly (discuss • contribs) 13:16, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

thank you very much. sounds like a good idea, i will absolutely help with the editing once im finished with my other topic. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 14:40, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I've managed to get everything done except Safari & iOS. I have no idea what to write up for that, if you have any materials or ideas then that would be fantastic.

i could incorporate safari and IOS into my section on Android and IOs, was going to mention browsers anyway. well done on getting it done, looks good! MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 21:06, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, putting in with the iOS stuff will work fine and will probably save repeating things in the article.

To whom this may concern. I am very sorry, I added into this section thinking it was my group on my project, It is very late and I am very tired. You may keep the information or delete it. Just thought I would let you know that I made the mistake Tellegee (discuss • contribs) 00:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

(Section 6/7) Open Source Software & Proprietary Software
SO I've started to make a start on my topic area. Feel free to contribute with me. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 14:18, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

'''Note: I haven't completely read through all of these. Just scanning to see if they are useful and they seems to be. Feel free to look at these web pages/eBooks. Don't place any on the reference page just yet. Thanks RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 16:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)'''

What is Open Source Software?
https://opensource.com/resources/what-open-source RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 14:50, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

http://site.ebrary.com/lib/stir/detail.action?docID=10103425 http://site.ebrary.com/lib/stir/detail.action?docID=10082000 RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 16:21, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Examples of Open Source Software
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_free_and_open-source_software#Sharing_techniques_before_software RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 20:49, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Benefits of Open Source
http://entrepreneurhandbook.co.uk/open-source-software/ RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 14:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Criticisms of Open Source
http://cloudtweaks.com/2012/08/advantages-and-disadvantages-of-open-source/ RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 14:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

What is Proprietary Software?
http://www.sciencedirect.com.ezproxy.stir.ac.uk/science/book/9780124158115

http://site.ebrary.com/lib/stir/detail.action?docID=10409085 RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 16:24, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

http://site.ebrary.com/lib/stir/reader.action?docID=10409085&ppg=24 DayleCleland (discuss • contribs) 23:26, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Examples of Proprietary Software
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software DayleCleland (discuss • contribs) 17:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC) http://whdb.com/blog/2008/the-top-50-proprietary-programs-that-drive-you-crazy-and-their-open-source-alternatives/ DayleCleland (discuss • contribs) 17:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Benefits of Proprietary Software
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/advantages-three-disadvantages-proprietary-system-vs-open-platform-38010.html http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/why-choose-proprietary-software-over-open-source-survey-says/ DayleCleland (discuss • contribs) 17:18, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Notes on the subject area
I haven't completely read through all of these. Just scanning to see if they are useful and they seems to be. Feel free to look at these web pages/eBooks. Don't place any on the reference page just yet. Thanks RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 16:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Hey guys, Can I ask who has wrote on the front page of our wiki in the topic area I am covering? Just because it was very good! I'd like to bounce ideas of you and collaborate however you haven't left your signature RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 20:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * As it seems we're the main two contributing to this section, how about we split it up? Since you havealready done a lot about open source I'll do the proprietary sodtware part and then we put them together? DayleCleland (discuss • contribs) 17:15, 6 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes lets do this, You seem like you're well on your way as well. Thanks for helping out RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 13:39, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

hey guys, i was wondering how the sub section of 'examples' in your topic would be formatted. just so there isn't too much crossover later when 4 of the examples are discussed in depth.

Good point, we don't want too much crossover or replicated data and similar examples throughout the book. You guys seem to have this covered though, so were fine, but maybe we should all be constantly proof-reading all sections in order to limit the same points or arguments being presented throughout TheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 21:19, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Section 8 - Future of open-source and Proprietary software
I noticed a few people still haven't got a topic so possibly this one would be good to do. maybe 2 people could collaborate on it. In my research i found people talking about how they expect open source software to become more prevalent as time goes on. Maybe 2 people could look into what people are actually thinking and why this might be a future trend. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 14:39, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

A good thing that I've found for this during my history part I'm doing is: "18. Google's self driving car is powered by a stripped version of Ubuntu." which is a open sourced software, so could show technological advances in relation to it, because googles car was only a prototype! Conrhyss (discuss • contribs) 02:09, 11 March 2016 (UTC) http://xmodulo.com/interesting-facts-ubuntu-linux.html

Section 9 - Glossary
In the book this will be in alphabetical. if people could write out the own mini glossary for their subject and post it here( preferably in alphabetical order too) then we can bring it together and insert it into the book. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 11:08, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Cognitive Load - volume of mental effort being used in the working memory.

Digital rights management (DRM) - various access control technologies that are used to restrict usage of proprietary hardware and copyrighted works.

Darwin - open-source Unix operating system developed by Apple and released in 2000.

OEM's - manufacturers who resell another company's product under their own name and branding.

Alright, we obviously need to have open source & proprietary networks. Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 16:25, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

myself and James are doing a glossary now, we've had a few problems with it but I assume that is because more people are trying to edit it at once, please add to it though as you wish or add to the definitions. Jowettgreen (discuss • contribs) 16:44, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

^That's class, thanks. I think definitons for my section are covered by everyone elses. General Public License (GPL) - license which allows the modification of the software Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 16:49, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, looks really good, ill just add my five extra ones now MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 16:49, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Just added mine for GPL :) Carys the Hat (discuss • contribs) 16:56, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Users and topics
I feel like it will make things a lot clearer if we clarify what topics we are doing here

Dayle Cleland - topic 9 DayleCleland (discuss • contribs) 18:07, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Euan Livingstone - topic 7 MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 03:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Shaun Pedlow - Topic 3 Spedlow (discuss • contribs) 16:51, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

So myself and ReluctantCyborg were gonna join forces & do open source stuff, since there's already work being done on it, I am happy to do anything else.
 * Yeah, we decided we were going to look into Linux/UNIX/GNU as best we could, but I do have general stuff about collaboration through the internet and what not if anyone's interested. I'll also post the copyright info I found at some point tonight. -ReluctantCyborg (discuss • contribs) 18:14, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Looking at other groups discussion pages i have seen that most are using a table to organise there groups, i think this is a good idea, makes thing a bit clearer. If you see the table semi complete below it means I was able to figure out how to do it, if it looks empty as you are reading this it means im still trying hopelessly to figure it out. I put the topics into the book in a very basic way and in a slightly different order than discussed. That will be represented in the table. this may change and we'll have to update the table as we go but that's fine. MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 14:28, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

To add to the table below just delete the 'example' and write what you need to. i left some spaces in case we add more topics. if we go over this it's not a problem the table can always be made bigger. if any changes to the order of the book occur feel free to reflect this in the table. i haven't added your names to the topics in case people have changed their minds. There are currently 10 topics not including the glossary and introduction which we will all be attributing to. when i checked through how many people were assigned to this topic i found there were 15 people. the contributors section of the discussion page only shows 10 though i think. either way that's roughly one topic to work on per person at this time. Of course we will still collaborate with others on different topics but i think we've now got a better idea of how this going to work. yay! MrRobot 321 (discuss • contribs) 14:59, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Good work on the table, this will definitely make it more organized and clear to read. Hopefully the late contributors will see this and know what they can get started on. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 20:16, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, Mr Robot 321 has done us a solid there, the table looks good, and invaluable as I was a late stater on this projects admittedlyTheDoctor1888 (discuss • contribs) 14:10, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I second that, Thankyou I'll  help  take 3. The Hacker Ethic. Also another late joiner due to various issues, found some points to add tomorrow. If someone would like to join me on topic 2 with history of software's too? (prefrably someone thats not done enough and would like to take another topic with me), just let me know. Conrhyss (discuss • contribs) 20:51, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Corhyss I will help with the history, I have already included the individuals who were mentioned in the lecture such as churring ect. But I will expand on this. I will also contribute to the advantages and dis of IOS systems. I also have quite an extensive version of notes which I will try to integrate as much as possible into the whole project. Please feel free to edit change or delete if you do not think it is relevant. Thank you. I will try to integrate as many websites and images as possible, I see a few people have done this already and I think it is really affective. Jowettgreen (discuss • contribs) 14:30, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Just a quick note to state that I have merged topics 6 and 7 together. RyanMurray96 (discuss • contribs) 20:11, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Just fired a bit about hacktivism and anonymous in the hackers section JamesHerdTHE3rd1845 (discuss • contribs) 15:11, 11 March 2016 (UTC)