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Authors references
Why are many sections of this book marked with "Original text for this page authored by William 'Scott' Baker" ?

Isn't the idea of this Wiki that the text is a group effort and any contributor information is only available in the history? Can I remove those references? I have the impression that right now they're keeping other people from adding information. --GertG 21:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Authors section created in new Intreduction section for those who want a little recognition (seen that in other wikibooks) --Jacques 20:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Paragraph naming convention
This document seems to have an improper naming convention on the chapters. I'm new to wiki and am not sure if the document chapter names should be renamed, if they should be renamed how to do so without breaking the page history, or if this book should proceed with the current structure. Any help would be appreciated. --Jason V 03:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree the conventions for these chapters aren't very good. Developing applications that use system types and collections, could just be named "Types and Collections". It makes it much easier to read. Any other ideas on this? --Hondomon


 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Paragraphs have been renamed for more concise formulation. The initial wording of the corresponding exam objective has been moved below the title. --Jacques 20:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Links only page
Some of the links to the MSDN site are not completed. When I tried to add one I used the 'standard' that was used for the book e.g. I created a page with only an external link. The site admins notified me that it was not a good idea to create a page with only external links and no content. My plan was to gradually take the links back into the main page and delete the 'link only' pages already dreated. You can look at the 'Manage data in a .NET Framework application by using specialized collections' section to see the new layout I waas planning to use. Does anyone has a better suggestion for cleaning up or a problem with my plan? --Jacques 17:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] End of deleting the "links only pages", next step to complete the MSDN links so that somebody else does not create another link only page trying just trying to help! About 24 detail pages where not deleted during the operation because they had minimal content or code examples. Their integration will be done later. --Jacques 20:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] All wiki type links cleared so that nobody else falls in the "links only page" trap without knowing it. --Jacques 00:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Complete links to MSDN
The initial reason why I started updating this page on november 17th 2007 was to complete the links to MSDN to get a "complete" reference to Micrsoft documentation. From there the module can serve an anchor for studying the exam. --Jacques (talk) 19:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]]I just finished adding the links to MSDN. Some claases where "not found" on MSDN!? and need more insvestigations. About 300 links added plus the 200 that were transfered from the links only pages (see above). --Jacques (talk) 19:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Renaming subpages
The following discussion took place on the Assistance page following a "request for comment" --Jacques 00:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I noticed something very odd when I was deleting the pages, it seems like whoever made all the links on the page you linked to tried to follow the naming convention, but all of the slashes are backwards, it's supposed to be /subpage/, not \subpage\ . If the naming was correct, links to the parent page would automatically be generated near the top (like the link to the reading room parent page on the top of this page). Thank you for your improvements so far, that was a lot of link-only pages! Regards, Mattb112885 (talk to me) 21:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks Matt, this is exactly the kind of comment I was looking for since I'm new to wikibooks and don't know how things are supposed to be. I found this that was asking for a renaming. Looks like it was done for the parent page only. Tried it on the first subpage and it worked. It has the interesting side effect that you only need /subpage for a link from the parent page. I will add a "to-do" to rename the other subpages. Thanks also if you deleted some of the "links only" pages I marked for speedy deletion, I knew somebody had to take care of the s... somehow. Regards --Jacques 21:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * TODO - Rename 23 remaining subpages to follow naming convention and update links on main page in the form of /subpage --Jacques (talk) 19:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Finish integrating the pages into the main text. 2 pages remain as annexes and where renamed. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 00:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Split main page
On december 10th Mike left a message indicating that the book main page was now too big and should be split.
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]]I have just finished a first split that keeps the possibility of having all on content on one page if we like by using template references. Now a lot of design and presentation work will have to be done on the main page, but that's another story... -- Jacques (talk) (email) 03:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Split to separate book
The module was split to become a new book and was renamed to ".NET Development Foundation". Following is the discussion that took place on the Assistance page:

Hi. Stupid question once again... Do we need some kind of authorization to "split" a module from a book to make it a book by itself (and changing the title accordingly). The idea would be to split Microsoft_Certified_Technology_Specialist/Exam_70-536 from the Microsoft_Certified_Technology_Specialist book and make it a book on its own. The title could be something like ".NET Development Foundation (70-536)". There are two main reasons we would want to do that:
 * The exam is part of more then one certification (6 in fact), its kind of weird that it is "glued" to one of them.
 * Putting .NET somewhere in the title would be a little more meaningfull about the content of the module.

I would like to it now because:
 * I am starting to split the document (pages are getting too big and Mike is sending posting "split" requests :-)). I would like to do the change before having too many pages.
 * Also I am referencing the book on discussion groups and other places and I would like to have an address that would not be redirected. So any problem if I do that split? Regards -- Jacques (talk) (email) 19:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Authorization per se is not required but to avoid conflicts and since the changes you are proposing go a bit beyond the BeBold status, you should attempt to reach a consensus with all Wikibookians working on the same pages, try posting in the talk pages a notice and see if you get any reaction, as courtesy you could also attempt to find out who was most involved on editing the pages even if the works has stopped, you can even find out people willing to help you on those tasks.
 * Split the changes you intent on doing in smaller proposals if not directly related (ie: rename of the book, and splitting it into chapters) add those proposal to the relevant book talk/user pages and establish a close time normally 7 days after the last argument was posted (avoid votes) by asking directly for objections/comments. --Panic (talk) 20:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Very clear thanks, I will follow your recommendations and post a seven day notice on the relevan talk pages to see if there is any objections. As for the past contributors I did some reseach and did not find any actually active. As for me, I have done a couple of edits on this book lately :-) Regards -- Jacques (talk) (email) 20:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * There is no reason to wait, except out of courtesy, if there has indeed been no active contributors to the book in awhile besides yourself (say several months). I think you've probably already done enough and any changes would be in good faith. --dark lama  21:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with Darklama. If you're the only one working on it, you should get to do things at your own pace. Be bold, create the new book, and let us know if you need any help with it. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 23:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Page name changed to .NET Development Foundation which becomes a new book and double redirects arranged. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 06:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Spell Check
seriously man, there are so many typos they actually distract from the reading. Most browsers (such as Firefox) even have this feature built in to the browser and you don't even have to open word
 * Thanks for the corrections and comment. We will certainly start to do systematic spell checking when we do major updates to sections. Regards. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 20:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for the corrections, if you have any other ideas about possible improvements dont hesitate to pass them on. Regards. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 13:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Implement flat structure
All pages in the book except for the front page are now at the second level, this is immediately "under" the front page (ex. .NET Development Foundation/Introduction). This ensure that the links stay correct even when things are displaced or new organizational levels are added to sections. We choose this approach because the book has to evolve gradually, doing page splits and adding levels when the pages become too big. Splitting the pages too early generate lots of near empty pages that are rejected by the admins and do not give "continous" text. Not splitting pages gives too big pages and requests to split by the admins. So the structure of the book must be gradually elaborated, thus the need for an adaptable page organization.

We are constructing a navigational structure built with templates to implement a "soft" page organization that can evolve. Go to page structure to get a feel of the way the page structure is defined. This structure will be completed in the coming weeks. Any input or comment is welcomed. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 01:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Notes in all in one page
All the text of the book is now available directly in the all-in-one page. The only remaining problem before is can serve as a crude "print page" is that the dynamic navigation sections are closed when you open the page. Some research is needed to find a way for then to be all opened when we want to print but all closed during notmal navigation. -- Jacques (talk) (email) 01:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned pages
.NET Development Foundation/Iterators and .NET Development Foundation/Value types are not linked to. Please link to them, merge them and mark them with {{tlx|now merged|destination page, or if undesired mark them with {{tlx|delete|reasoning}}. -- Adrignola {{sup|talk contribs}} 16:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)