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I maintain VisualEditor is a terrible idea, and that, in particular, encouraging new editors to use it would have disastrous long-term consequences, rather like painting a nursery with lead-based paint and then encouraging the children to chew on it. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 19:25, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

, hmmm... why? Why do you think it will have disasterous long-term consequences? Isn't VisualEditor easier to use - or do you mean that all editors should learn wiki syntax? I agree that learning it is not particularly difficult, but I thought that VisualEditor would help new editors more than anyone else. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:52, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, here's one way to put it. The thing that makes wikis a thing is wiki markup, and the key to wiki markup is not just that it's easy to learn, but that users learn it by osmosis: in the process of doing some small thing, they see how existing wiki markup is put together, not only the thing they're changing but also stuff near it on the page.  There are things that could be done to make the experience of editing work better than the generic "edit window" approach, providing better support for osmosis-learning; but WYSIWYG is fundamentally antithetical to osmosis-learning, because the whole point of WYSIWYG is to prevent the user from seeing the underlying representation.
 * This goes hand-in-hand with doing everything using wiki markup, so that as everyone learns this one simple medium it gives everyone access to everything, rather than having some things separated by large gaps that cannot be overcome gradually by osmosis. Which is why I also disapprove of replacing template internals with Lua.  I'm developing tools meant to put more within the grasp of wiki markup, even while the Foundation is evidently working to do the opposite; my three key elements are dialog, evalx, and Module:TScope, the latter two of which handle large classes of "corner cases", while dialog brings interactivity to wiki markup as an alternative to writing specific interactive code in javascript.
 * Fwiw, I've got a general essay on all this, n:User:Pi zero/essays/vision/sisters. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 18:29, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

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